Daily Kos confesses to miscarriage of justice
Read it here. The picture is below. Andrew Sullivan, however, seems hesitant to acquiesce.
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The Daily Kos is showing signs of class?
Message to Andrew: You work at the Atlantic man! You are not some blogger in mom’s basement (even if that is how you have been acting). I get you dislike the choice of Palin (why not admit you would dislike any choice by McCain that could help him win). But you are free to be partisan and un-objective. You are free to think Barack Obama is the best choice for President and has oodles of experience about foriegn policy because he lived in Indonesia as a kid for a few years and thought deep thoughts more recently.
But you crossed a line. But you do not drag Sarah Palin’s kids into your smears, based on the weakest evidence. Really for shame. This was disgusting and mysoginist behavior on your part. You deserve to be vilified because you acted dishonorably.
Look at what the Republicans did to the Clinton family. Talk about dragging a family through the mud?
Don’t even go there about we can’t investigate a story because it involves poor little Sarah Palin’s kids.
THEY ARE FAIR GAME!
If she don’t want them to be “drag into smears” then she needs to get the hell out of politics and back into the kitchen.
What a phony. You people slander the Clintons for a decade, you’re still going after the John Edwards family, but now we aren’t allowed to question Sarah Palin?
Oh but they’re unfounded rumors, right?
Yeah, kinda like spreading rumors that Barack Obama is Muslim or that he has a fake birth certificate? Republicans would never do something like that. Yeah right.
You people are such phonies. Thank to Andrew Sullivan for exposing it, whether the story is true or not!
“You people”? Who you calling “you people.”
Intentionally harming innocent people is wrong, period. And there is no justification for it, whether it emanates from friends or adversaries. Because Sullivan knew what he was saying was likely false, and because he knew harm was foreseeable, he intended harm of the innocent.
Black Avenger, are you actually suggesting that conservatives in the present cannot defend their own because some in the past engaged in less than respectable behavior? If that’s your standard, then no one should speak, since within every group of partisans there are those who, sadly, cross the line.
I think that we should all learn from our mistakes, apologizing when needed, and standing up for what’s right in the face of slander. “Whether the story is true or not” can only be embraced as a legitimate principle if you believe revenge is a virtue. If you think that, then you oppose justice. And that is neither good for your neighbor nor your own soul
Good for you for standing up to those who have wrongfully attacked your friends. For this reason, you should extend the same courtesy to others who want to defend their friends.
Silly Francis, don’t you know it’s a fake pregnancy suit she brings out for the cameras?
On another thread, Black Avenger called others “hypocrites”. Maybe he should remove his plank before chastising others for their specks.
I am not one of those persons calling Barack Obama a mulsim or terrorist. Plus I am a Daily Dish Sullivan Reader from way back when Sullivan first started after 9/11. I defended Sullivan when he called Hugh Hewitt on his past excesses (although I never recall Hewitt attacking a politician’s kids). I have also defended Sullivan in the past from Ace, HotAir, Michelle Malkin, Jonah Goldberg, John Podhoretz, etc. I often do not agree with Sullivan’s take, but I thought he was an honorable voice. For me to attack him now is a big deal, but it is justified.
Sullivan crossed a line with this nonsense. You do not attack a candidate’s children without good cause and solid evidence. A Daily Kos echo chamber is not a legitimate source. Sullivan played the role of a dirty gutter hack. And he did it all on his own.
John Podhoretz nails it with this article: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/24862
Who’s got the last laugh now??!!
Palin admits the girl is pregnant.
Yes, the 17 year old unmarried daughter of a conservative politician is pregnant.
You mean she had sex at 16? So much for that conservative “abstinence” policy.
And good thing conservatives work hard to prevent teens from having access to sex ed or birth control.
And I thought her conservative parents would have taught her better?
Shocking, truly shocking.
Maybe we were not so evil after all for merely wondering if we were getting the whole story about the family, which we obviously were not?
Your chickens are coming home to roost!
A seventeen year old girl gets pregnant. She is marrying the dad and having the baby.
The only shocking part for the Dems elites is why didn’t she get an abortion? Then everything would be fine.
These young parents will have to now rise to the occasion and their new responsibilities. But the left does not get that having a baby early (while a challengement to be sure) is not perceived as a punishment.
Bristol Palin is pregnant and *gasp* doesn’t see the baby as a punishment?? She’s going to marry the dad?
Oh, yes, that’s totally beyond the comprehension of the liberal mind.
pathetic. Obama “I don’t want my daughters punished with an STD or a pregnancy”
There is no contest between the two. She is pregnant and is marrying the father. Not the first time in history.
http://partisanreport.com/blog/2008/09/01/loony-leftist-on-the-attack-against-palin-and-its-personal/
Black Avenger:
Because Bristol is a Christian, from a Christian family, she knows that she is imperfect and she knows that there is love and forgiveness in the body of Christ to which she belongs. She sees her child as an intrinsically valuable person made in the image of God which she has the privilege and honor to nurture and care for.
She, like each of us in the family of God, must put on Christ and bear our cross.
We are indeed laughing with joy, the joy that comes when a new precious life comes into being.
God bless Palin family. Please join me and my wife in praying for these loving and caring fellow travelers on this wonderful journey called life.
“Maybe he should remove his plank before chastising others for their specks.”
I guess he doesn’t agree.
So if I’m following the conservative logic above, Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter getting pregnant and then married is a good thing.
So no more of this bull that we should wait until marriage to have sex.
So no more of this bull that abstinence is the best form of birth control.
Practice what you preach.
Checkmate!
“So if I’m following the conservative logic above, Sarah Palin’s 17 year old daughter getting pregnant and then married is a good thing.
So no more of this bull that we should wait until marriage to have sex.
So no more of this bull that abstinence is the best form of birth control.
Practice what you preach.
Checkmate!”
Checkmate? You don’t even know the rules of the game. Sex outside of marriage is wrong, but killing the baby thereafter is infinitely worse. Christians understand all about sin, being sinners ourselves. What defines our character is what we do after we sin and how we deal with the consequences.
“So no more of this bull that abstinence is the best form of birth control.”
Logically, then, he must know of a form of birth control that is more effective than abstinence. I can’t wait to read what it is.
Donald and Francis – I’m not saying the girl should have an abortion. I’m merely saying be consistent.
Either a)admit Palin has done a poor job as a parent or b)admit that your conservative abstinence & wait until marriage policies obviously don’t work.
Oh, I see now: Black Avenger was playing a game of “Gotcha!” OK, you win–by default, as you were the only one who was playing. The rest of us were engaging in what as known as “intelligent discussion”.
Black Avenger.
Yes, to answer your question what Bristol committed was sin and nobody here is trying to disguise that. However, we have FAR more respect for the woman because she is doing the honorable thing in the situation. She’s keeping the baby and marrying the father. That’s what we pro-lifers have been saying for years.
Yes, abstinence is right, but when we sin we have a merciful God who has His Son to pay the penalty for that sin.
And furthermore, one should take the responsibility for that sin.
Is Ms. Palin practicing what she preached? Absolutely. She’s keeping the baby when it would be far more convenient for her and her family if she made the problem disappear. She’s taking responsibility for her actions and for that I salute her.
By the way, how is this related to Sarah’s candidacy? And don’t give me the you-guys-attacked-the-Clintons-in-the-90s speech. We both know that parents can’t be held responsible for every action of their kid.
Black Avenger. None of us are consistent. That’s the point. Forgiveness and charity are virtues precisely because there is sin and selfishness. Offering the first two in response to the latter two is what makes the Christian narrative the most realistic and compelling account of our fallen nature.
Bristol is not a hypocrite, for a hypocrite is someone who really doesn’t believe what he says he believes. A person who falls to temptation and repents of it is a weak soul striving for strength and assistance from her brothers and sisters.
To quote Bob Dylan, “Don’t criticize what you can’t understand.”
“Either a)admit Palin has done a poor job as a parent or b)admit that your conservative abstinence & wait until marriage policies obviously don’t work.”
Actually the answer is (c): Her daughter decided to have sex with a young man. As the father of three kids myself I know that the best a parent can do is to attempt to instill the proper values in a child. The best efforts of any parent is no guarantee that the child will make the right decision at crunch time. However in this situation the key question is: “What next?”. Palin’s daughter gave the right answer to that question: life for my child. I hope that my teenagers will not engage in pre-marital sex. However I hope much more that my kids will also remember what their mother and I have taught them: innocent human life is sacred. If one of my ancestors hadn’t believed that with every fibre of her being, I wouldn’t be typing these words today.
17 year olds get pregnant sometimes. It happens. She is marrying the dad and having the baby. It is not a big story except for the immediate family and the parents who will have to rise to the occasion and the responsibility. Interestingly, it is not perceived as a “punishment” by the Palins, but a challenge.
First, the girl ought to be honored for her decision. It’s the right call, and couldn’t have been easy.
But still. It was HER decision.
From the CNN story: ‘The McCain aide insisted a key point to keep in mind is that Bristol decided to keep the baby, a decision “supported by her parents.”‘
“Supported by”? What about “relieved that they don’t have to tell the girl that it’s not her decision, and that she’s having the baby whether she wants to or not”? Isn’t the whole point of her mother’s political stance on abortion that it shouldn’t be the girl’s decision?
But let us not forget, Sarah Palin and her out in the open political beliefs make this family matter also a public policy matter.
Forget about her daughter choosing to keep the baby, Palin would force people not to be allowed to make the same decision to keep the baby or not.
Forget about her daughter choosing not to use birth control, Palin would force teenagers not to have access to birth control at health clinics and high schools.
Not everyone is as wealthy as Sarah Palin or her children, or the Obamas or McCains.
I’m worried about the poor black teenage girl who gets pregnant. If this was a poor black girl, firstly nobody would sadly care. And if they do, they’d casually blame the parents or even the black culture.
But if it’s Bristol Palin, then that’s different. The parents suddenly aren’t at fault, nor is the culture.
I say forget blame and let’s help every kid so that this doesn’t happen.
Give teenagers access to sex ed and birth control. Keep abortion legal so that people can make the decision to keep the baby, just like Sarah and Bristol Palin did.
You conservatives love to praise the decision to keep the baby, but it wouldn’t be a decision if there was no choice!
“But still. It was HER decision.”
It is MY decision that I will not hunt Muskrat down and kill him.
Speaking as one who supports the rights to privacy and personal autonomy, I would appeal to those who share my view to afford this family the privacy we would claim for our own personal decisions.
The young Miss Palin has made choices in her life. Those choices are not the subject of fair comment, and should not be used to attempt to gain a tawdry political advantage.
To quote the candidate for president whom I support: Enough!!
“Keep abortion legal so that people can make the decision to keep the baby…”
He realizes that it is a baby that he’s advocating the right of people to kill. What monstrous evil he knowingly espouses. Time for prayer.
For once, John in Nashville and I agree. (Scary thought, isn’t it?)
John, I take back half the things I have thought about you when I read your prior posts!
“It is MY decision that I will not hunt Muskrat down and kill him.”
I want you to know I support your decision. It’s a tough call, and one people here struggle with every day. Frankly, there are good arguments on both sides of the issue.
Good one, Muskrat. I respect thick skin and the ability to laugh at oneself.
Andrew’s latest post says, “Why not kill this rumor with Palin’s medical records? . . . Just release them, ok? If necessary in a closed room for reporters, just as with McCain. And we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on.”
There’s nothing stopping him from moving on, right now, from having been so deeply involved in spreading a stupid and malicious rumor that never was supported by any evidence or reason whatsoever. Palin should refuse to release the medical records, on the grounds that she doesn’t answer to scumbags who start stupid rumors and then demand disproof.
Sorry, while the Black Avenger’s arguments are so full of non-sequiter and strawmen to hardly be labeled “arguments” (I particularly love all the assumptions, such as the assumption that Bristol Palin did not know about/was not using birth control); I do agree that this is open for discussion. For better or worse, Palin has made herself and, thus, her daughter a public figure. Her parenting is relevant.