ONE SHOT, ONE KILL
Saturday was a productive day for me. The buck pictured above dressed out at 155 pounds. He has a nine point rack with a 20 inch spread.
Looks like the Leggett family will be eating well this year.
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Joel L.,
I hope your family really needs it.
Clare,
We aren’t destitute if that is what you mean. While the Marine Corps won’t make me rich I am certainly not poor.
My family and I like the taste of venison. Consequently, the only way to get it is to go out and shoot it. You can’t grill it if you don’t kill it.
Good shooting = good eating!
Congratulations. I got a phone call from my 11 year old nephew who got his first deer this weekend. Of course once you factor in the actual costs, hunting and fishing is rarely cost effective, but it ties us to the land in a way that is deep and primal. The natural world is often healthier the more people hunt.
Nice work. My son killed a nine-pointer last week. We like to can our venison. Delicious.
Nice buck! Congrats
Congratulations.
I realize hunting is a right and enjoyable to many.
But posing with the corpse of one of the most harmless, gentle and beautiful animals, when one’s joy arises not from having provided needed food for oneself and one’s family but from pride in the killing qua killing and gratification in the satisfaction of a particular taste for the animal’s flesh — I do not think that is pleasing to God.
Sorry – I just have to say it: “mmmmmmmm meat.”
One of my favorites – cube the venison and make chili (take your pick, but I like black bean chili) in the crock pot. Simmer it for two or three days and YUMMY.
However, it is a buck. Tough than a nice, tender doe. So maybe simmer for four days.
Wups, meant to say “tougher,” not “tough.” ‘Scuse.
I’m sorry, but that gun was clearly planted on the deer after it was shot. You’ll never get away with a self-defense claim. Better eat the evidence. As Homer Simpson would say…. mmmmmm… evidence…..
“It’s coming right for us!”
Ahh, how I miss the taste of venison. After I was about 8 or 9, my father didn’t hunt much, so I’ve probably only had venison about once since then. And man, a group of four guys driving through New York city with a deer strapped to the hood of the car must have been quite the sight.
Claire,
I think you are way out of bounds saying that Joel’s hunting is not pleasing to God. First, Joel is using the meat to feed his family. I don’t see what the differnce is in him killing his own meat or going to the Piggly Wiggly and buying a steak from an animal someone else killed.
Second, God has give us dominion over the animals. “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’” Gen. 1:26. By hunting, Joel is simply exercising dominion over the deer. This is not displeasing to God.
Actually, but for hunters like Joel, the deer population would grow so that the poor creatures starve and suffer in nature. When I lived in Westchester County NY, where it is illegal to discharge a firearm, starving deer with their ribs showing were frequently seen in yards and gardens. Because no one was allowed to hunt them, the population was out of control and the animals suffered. It would have been better for man and beast to have had a hunting season in that area. Joel, in my opinion, is being a good steward of what God has given him.
I think your biggest problem is that Joel enjoyed the hunt and the kill. He should have enjoyed himself and I’m glad he did. Sadly, modern man is so far removed the cultivation of the earth and hunting, that we have no appreciation for how food gets to our tables. Animals are slaughtered by the thousands every day so we can eat. We don’t see this and should not look down on those who participate in the killing that puts food in our stomachs.
The self-satisfied pose in the photo, the gratuitous display of the dead animal, and the prideful and self-indulgent comments — these are what I believe are displeasing to God.
Clare. How did I know you were going to go there.
” However, you may slaughter and eat meat within any of your gates, whatever you desire, according to the blessing of the LORD your God which He has given you; the unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and the deer.” Deuteronomy 12:14-16
“So when any man from the sons of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches a beast or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth.
Leviticus 17:13
Don’t listen to Clare. Drain the blood and you are good to go with God Joel.
The Bible doesn’t say anything about having someone take your picture with the dead animal and bragging about what you’ve done.
“Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and not one of them shall fall on the ground without your Father.”
Mt 10:29
The Bible does not probibit one taking a picture of a hunt either–we ought not impose legalistic restrictions on fellow believers when the matter is not essential to the Faith and is, at a minimim, debatable among believers. (See, e..g, Romans 14 and Paul’s discussion about believers purchasing meat that had been sacrafied to idols). This blog is about sharing views and life events. Joel is simply sharing with the readership about his most recent hunting trip and his success. This is no different than Feddie publishing photos from the GOP Convention of him with prominent members of the media or Party. Feddie, was simply sharing a fun life experience and Joel is doing the same.
“… the corpse of one of the most harmless, gentle and beautiful animals …”
Yeah, one of which nearly ran me off the road last night. Please. Sappy sentimentality is no substitute for reasoned discourse. And to claim that taking one’s photo alongside their quarry is not pleasing to God? Give me a break!
I stand by what I said.
A photo of someone reveling in his political party connections — even if one belongs to a different party — does not fall into the same category, in terms of visual offensiveness, as a photo of someone with a defenseless animal that he has killed.
Jay,
Get a “deer whistler” and drive more slowly.
Enjoy those “executed” birds this Thursday
Clare,
Wow, you’re mighty self-righteous today, aren’t you?
Crankycon,
I hope I am not self-righteous. I just wanted to point out my reaction to the photo.
I realize it is OK to kill and eat animals.
I think my comments speak for themselves.
Clare,
What a strange reaction.
Joe,
I would say that to enjoy looking at a color photo of a recently killed harmless animal that is not needed for food is a stranger reaction.
Clare,
As William pointed out, I was simply trying to share a positive experience with the SA crowd. If my smile in the photo bothers you please understand that I put in a lot of work to get that deer. My stand was set up almost a mile and a half into dense terain in which I could not take a vehicle. Once in my stand, at 6:14 AM I spent the morning freezing. I shot the deer at 3:15 PM. As you can see this activity represented an all day affair. Consequently, if I look happy in the photo it is because a lot of hard work paid off.
If the photo bothers you I am sorry. It was not my intent to offend anyone.
Joel,
Thank you.
“… drive more slowly …”
My driving is just fine, thank you. It’s because I drive cautiously that I missed the deer that ran out in front of me.
Joel,
You have nothing to apologize for. If anyone should be apologizing, it should be certain self-righteous prigs.
I respect Clare’s opinion, but I do think it is naive. Much like the brouhaha over Sarah Palin’s interview in front of the turkey slaughter. Clare, where do you think our food comes from? And if it is okay to kill animals for food, then why is it wrong to do so recreationally and to take a picture of the kill. Is your point that it okay to kill animals for food as long as we are ashamed of it and keep it behind locked factory doors.
If you choose not to hunt or not to eat meat, fine. But translating your disapproval into something “God does not enjoy” is a bit of a leap.
If scripture does not condemn something, you should be very hesitant to call it sinful or displeasing to God. To do otherwise, borders on idolatry (i.e., re-making God into your own image)
The Last Conservative,
I think that animals, as God’s creatures, deserve a certain amount of respect and care — of course, they certainly are not equal to people, and God did provide them for us to eat.
It seems like a logical leap to say that if something is acceptable out of necessity (hunting for food), it is also acceptable as a form of recreation. That does not strike me as a true statement.
The commercial slaughter of animals out of proportion to need (much of which is wasted) and without regard for the humane treatment of the animals, is also wrong.
I think we can see from scripture that God created the animals for us, but also that He loves them and cares for them. Therefore we should not kill them just for fun or sport.
I understand the arguments about deer overpopulation, but I still think the attitude that it is an occasion for delight and self-congratulation to destroy a harmless animal is not in keeping with God’s plan.
I think my comments speak for themselves.
They do. And not well.
Joel,
And I hold Marines to a higher standard.
Just so we are all clear, I am not appologizing for hunting or being happy that my efforts were succesful. I am suprised that someone would be offended that after all the work I put into the hunt I might display some pleasure with a successful outcome. Nevertheless, it was not my intent to offend anyone.
Clare,
It is a gross mischaracterization to describe my mood as gleeful about the destruction of a harmless animal. I did not wake up that morning and say to my self, “Gee, how can I cause gratuitous pain to one of God’s creatures.” I like venison and and I put in a lot of work in scouting out the area I hunted in before hand as well as setting up the stand and waiting for the buck. I was, and am, hapy that my efforts paid off. If you can’t understand that then I am sorry for you.
Joel,
Thank you. I guess I cannot understand what you are saying.
But I appreciate your trying to explain it.
Well, it’s dead so what’s done is done. Now the only question is “how best to cook it?”
Good work Joel. I’m happy for you and wish I were sitting in the woods right now.
Of course just now I passed a whole gaggle of deer during my run by my house. They were giving me the stink eye, I tells ya.
Clare: My guess is Joel loves deer as much as you do. Perhaps more. And I am not be facetious.
If you do not hunt, you will never know, but there is something very mystic about it. And it is not about cruelty or inflicting pain or violence as you might perceive it. It is almost spiritual and no surprise Native Americans treated hunting as a sacrament. I believe it is something hard wired in our genetic memory.
I do not expect you go go do it, but you should not be too quick to judge.
To everyone that offered congratulations and kind words, I thank you. This was one of the biggest bucks I ever shot and I appreciate all the kind words.
Clare does not understand the arguments that have been made in defense of hunting. However, to her credit, she has admitted as much and even thanked me for trying to explain it to her. Not everyone understands why we hunt or the attraction of the activity. Thats fine. We live in a society where different people can find fulfillment and happiness in activities that might mystify others. At least Clare recognizes that she doesn’t get it. However, she had the good grace to thank me for trying to explain it to her. Unfortunately, I did not rise to the occasion and make my case convincing enough. While I won’t lose any sleep over this lost argument I do appreciate Clare’s honesty. I do think her comments were sincere and, even if we don’t agree with her, we should respect her attempts to engage in good argument.
Clare,
I am sorry you don’t understand why hunting is important to me. Nevertheless, I thank you for the honest argument.
Clare,
Read this story about a deer in the road(the Interstate):
http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/featobit.ssf?/base/news/1227521752150910.xml&coll=1
Crankycon – yeah, I’ve had a herd of deer going out of their way to give me the stink eye for years. Frankly, they scare me. I think they’re also ultra-militant PETA operatives, but I can’t be sure.
Hunting isn’t my cup of tea, but I’m glad folks like Joel are hunting and conserving our wildlife.
Joel –
Your picture reminded me of this one. I think hunters — and Marines — will find it amusing.
I’m sure the deer tastes better, though.
Joel,
Thank you for your kind and gentlemanly remarks.
My views stem in part from the fact that I grew up in the country in New England near my grandparents’ farm. During hunting season, we children were very fearful of the people in the plaid jackets with guns who came to kill our deer (in spite of the land being posted). We viewed the hunters as foreigners.
My mother, a shy person, would throw on her jacket and run out to shout as loudly as she could to the hunters to go away when we heard gunshots in the woods behind our house.
“Hunters in the woods!” was for us roughly equivalent to “Yankees in Atlanta!” for a Civil War era- (and maybe even later) Southerner.
Just by way of background.
It was a shock to see the picture of the deer with the blood around his mouth and the dead eyes.